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One Kung Fu Night and a Life in Practice

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Po, Kan, Lambert, Dai-Sensei & Zhong Ming Fashi - Simon 1960  

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When I sat down with Simon, he told me that everything began with one evening in childhood, three TV channels, and a single kung fu programme. That moment set him on a 52‑year martial arts journey that carried him from the Isle of Wight to Asia, and now to a quieter life in the Philippines, where he still trains every day and runs his school from afar.

In our conversation, we explore what he learned under his first sensei, why travel became part of his curriculum, and how training with so many teachers and traditions shaped his ideas about destiny, discipline, and self‑direction. We wander through monastery life in Thailand, Okinawan roots, research trips to China, and the belief that martial arts are ultimately less about winning fights and more about learning how not to fight.

A big part of our chat centres on San Shan Gong, Simon’s moving meditation built around the three battles of mind, body, and spirit. We also get wonderfully practical — posture, breath, and why something as simple as “standing” can teach you lessons that stay with you for years, even on a packed tube train. And yes, we talk about martial arts in films and TV: what Hollywood gets wrong, and what still rings true if you look past the myth.

If you’re drawn to kung fu philosophy, karate history, meditation, self‑defence mindset, or simply the idea of living with a bit more calm strength, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share it with someone who trains (or wants to), and tell me the biggest takeaway you’re carrying into your week.

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Sunny Reunion And Life In Philippines

SPEAKER_00

Now, today I am on the Sunny Isle of War, and when I mean sunny, it actually is sunny here today. I'm with my guest uh Simon. Simon and I go back a good few years. I actually met you originally, Simon, because I took my son Josh to you to have a class. I don't I don't know if you remember this. Yeah, I do. But Josh wanted to learn martial arts, so obviously we found you and I took him to his very first lesson. Yeah, and you turned around to me and you said, Well, what are you gonna be doing for the next hour or so? And I said, I'll just gonna be going sitting in the car. And you said to me, No, you're not, you're gonna join him.

SPEAKER_02

And I did, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So uh that's how we met. I suppose we're both ex-core kids now because I don't live on the Isle of White anymore. And you've moved to where? Uh Philippines. You've moved to the Philippines. Is that something you've always had in the back of your mind, or is it somewhere in Asia?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, my wife is a Philippina, she's been away from a country for 40 years, time to go home to a family now. So we went back to the Philippines last July, 11 months ago. I love it, yeah, yeah. It's good.

SPEAKER_00

So you're not you're not you're not missing the Isle of White too much then. Oh, no way, man, no way. No way. What's your earliest moment that you remember realising that martial arts would shake your life?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, remember 17, Saturday evening? Uh my parents were having like uh an oldies and crumblies meeting next door, tea, coffee, and you know, um percolator in those days. I escaped to the lounge to watch TV on the TV, three channels, first channel BBC, nothing, BBC 2, nothing, IDV. What is this? It's Kung Fu. What is Kung Fu anyway? I was hooked, that was it. So it was a I was 12 years, so it was 73 or 12 then. Yeah, so I was 12 years of age, life-changing moment. Having a look back, here I am 52 years later.

SPEAKER_00

This is the classic 1970s.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, David Carradine, Master Poe, the Blind Master, um, yeah, Quiet Chang Kane, fighting the ruffians in America, um, just uh an amazing, way ahead of its time TV series, never been replicated at all.

SPEAKER_00

No, for sure. I mean I clearly remember it as well. So when you think of Kane and Master Poe, Master Khan, yeah. What do you think has stayed with you that you remember from that show or from that time?

SPEAKER_01

Alright, from Master Khan and the Abbott's perspective, it's his his sheer depth and his skill, which you never saw, but you knew it was there anyway. Master Poe was so deep, and he he took um young Kane, Russell was being his his prodigy, his son, effectively, and he groomed Kwai Chiang Kane, young Kane right through to when he left

The TV Moment That Hooked Him

SPEAKER_01

China because he killed the Emperor's nephew because he was trying to kill Master Poe. So it was the philosophy, the depth, the skill, Buddhism, mixed Taoism, mixed Confucianism, the whole spirituality part. What hit me the most was this spirituality, in a word.

SPEAKER_00

So what did you do with it immediately? Did you just watch the TV series? Did you go straight away? Yeah. There was none.

SPEAKER_01

Nothing. I I it took me 10 months to find a school. In the meantime, I was buying books and magazines on kung fu. Bruce Lee just passed away, books on the TV series. Anything I could find that had anything to do with kung fu martial arts, I'll buy and read avidly. What happened when you found some way of exercising? I went to high school in September 74. I was 13 years of age then. The school said we're gonna have an after-school club doing karate. I joined it straight away. Met this man called Mike Lambert, who was my sensei. There was maybe six in the class. After a few weeks, they all kind of like fizzled out and ran away. I stayed. He said there's too few here to continue. I'm leaving now, but come and join my dojo, which I did. I began training in ride at the Queensway Hall by the Star Pub. Pub, yeah. That was in 74. I left there in 88 to go to China or to go to Malaysia. So 14 years of just doing karate, karate, karate, that was it.

SPEAKER_00

How long were you part of his doje?

SPEAKER_01

Um from 74 to 78, uh 88, 14 years. I left to go to Asia for one-way ticket. A one-way ticket. Yeah. Very brave.

SPEAKER_00

How old were you then?

SPEAKER_01

I was um 27, 88 to 27. Came back 10 years later. Came back, a married man. Yeah. My wife, Maracris, the Filipina. Met in Hong Kong, married in Hong Kong, came back here to other whites, got a flat in ride, back to the dojo to train again. A year later, opened my own kung fu school, based upon upon my 10 years of being away, um, and my research, my training. Here I am now, 25 years later, with my own school still in Wooton. I manage it from the Philippines. Manage it from the remote. Online teaching. I mean, they're today doing a grading for some students today. So um, yeah, I mean, my life is purely kung fu martial arts.

SPEAKER_00

Let's just jump back into the travelling. So you've trained with masters in China, um, Hong Kong, Okinaws, and beyond. So, what do you think the travelling taught you that you couldn't learn here?

SPEAKER_01

The fact that you can have complete control over your your life or destiny, well not so much these days, but back in the 80s, 90s you could. And it just taught me the fact that I'm my own boss and I can live my life according to my my plans and everybody else's. It's a very ball headed way of looking at life. It's my life, and as long as nobody gets hurt in the process, I can do as I please.

SPEAKER_00

So, when you were with Mick Lambert, obviously it was a karate, how did that change then when you started travelling and started digesting different

Finding A Dojo And Going All In

SPEAKER_00

forms of martial arts?

SPEAKER_01

Well, first of all, Mike Lambert, he was an amazing guy, way ahead of his time. He was probably the second most dangerous guy in the country. The most dangerous guy being a man called Inweda, a Japanese samurai karate master. And but my teacher, he was so quiet in his own way, so instrumental in my in my journey. So along with Kwai Chang, Master Po, Master Khan, my Lambert was kind of the man that I was running myself after, if you like. Not to idolise the guy, he gave me the knowledge and skill and the depth to he always said life's too short to be shy, spice is life. He taught me the way to live, and I've never forgotten that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, amazing, absolutely amazing. Do you think you found yourself when you were out there travelling? Because obviously you came back, you set yourself up.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

It's all part of my destiny. I was enlightened March the 8th last year. That's my enlightening moment, which sounds bizarre, but I mean, but I was in Japan then, um, on Shikoku Island at the time, doing a spiritual kind of um pilgrimage then. So I think everything that happened to me since 74 until now, 52 years or so later, it's been part of my moulding, part of my destiny, part of my fate being formulated then, and that's come to actuality now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean it's more than martial arts, it's more than fighting, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01

Martial arts is not fighting.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

The word fighting in China and Japan means don't fight. Look at the kanji, it breaks down into spear and do not use, don't fight. So you have your body language saying the mess with me, otherwise you'll get it in a very nice, polite way. But they learn to avoid yours and not contest with you because they're going to lose. That's the the strength of that's the real Budo, the real martial arts of Japan, China Okinawa, India, um, Tibet. That's how it goes. I must say though that although I found martial arts in 74, thinking right back to the earlier 70s when the champions were on was on TV. Yeah, the champions, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, from the 70s to TVs, yeah, yeah, yeah. Their their plane crashed in Tibet, rescued by the medicine men, they were the Buddhist or Buddhists. That was part of my journey. That to me was my subconscious knowledge that this is my journey begins with the champions. Yeah. The first program, they were healed, special powers. That's the um the OCD of today, that's the the um the sixth sense of today. I mean, that really was my intuitive unknown beginning my journey with the champions, and then it was kung fu, Mike Lambert, travelling, Muay Thai in Bangkok, meditation in the Forest Monastery in Thailand, um, in China doing the Kung Fu, Okinawa, Malaysia, Salats, Bruchel, all that was my part of my journey, amazing journey.

SPEAKER_00

So when I was with you, we did Sanshengong, is it? Sansheng, yeah. Is that still your main thing? Yeah, it is, yeah. And just tell me how did that develop out of all of the forms that you've seen?

SPEAKER_01

Okay. In 75 with Mike Lambert, he showed me a cutter, a movie meditation, uh, based upon mind, body, spirit, for example. Uh, so very, very short meditation exercise or form that we do, or cutter that we do. When I saw him do that, it blew me away, and I said, that is my life. Kratter is my life, or Kratido is my life, but that one meditation

One-Way Ticket Travel And Teaching

SPEAKER_01

that is my way forward. So I went to China to research the Chinese angle of the pre-short meditation, which I learnt from him, and now I'm doing Sunshen Gong. It's basically it's all these different meditations into one cluster, which I know teach me. Variety from being 45 seconds long to 13 minutes long, and that's my progress, that's my my whole raison d'etre in the martial arts, this idea of the three battles: mind, body, spirit, harmonizing to make it into one strong, unbreakable rope.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so I associate martial arts with China and Japan. Tell me about Philippines. Is it is it is it a big thing in the Philippines?

SPEAKER_01

Okay, uh, in the Philippines they have a thing called Arnströmano Mano, or Arnister Mano Mano. It's a blade, sword and dagger art with sticks, and that goes into empty hand work. So karate is first empty hand, then weapons. In Philippines, the weapons first, empty hands come last, as it were, and it's pear work. The old school guys use live blades in their in their practice, so very dangerous. But the awareness of martial arts is there in that idea that your blades aren't sharpened and they are deadly blades, so no messing in the Philippines.

SPEAKER_00

Simon, it's been a decade really since I've seen you, let alone done any training with you, but still to this day, and I was talking to my son about this recently, I still stand the way you taught me to stand. Yeah, sure. I think of it every time I go on a tube or or or or on a train of how to stand so I don't fall over if this train comes to a hole. I mean it's it's it's there. So there isn't there isn't literally a month that goes by at some point, something doesn't resurface for the stuff.

SPEAKER_01

I taught your wife, I taught your wife a few lessons. You did? The first lesson was purely standing. Yes. First lesson was simply standing, how to stand, how to move, yeah, yeah, how to posture your whole body, how to breathe. One lesson on standing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and she stands very well now.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, sure. I used to go from here to um Worthing to learn from uh a local Worthing man, he's dead now, sadly, Tai Chi. Yeah, and going there on the train from Port of Harbour to Worthing, I'd be on the train near the handhold looping, but in my horse stance, and I'd I'd never grab the loop. Yeah, even though the train is turning, I'm using my sea legs to move. Never once in actually grab the loop. I'm simply there trying to be not not conspicuous, but trying to move in my structure, but not be thrown out of my my stance. So everything to me is training. Nothing is not training, it's all training for me.

SPEAKER_00

It always

Destiny And The Meaning Of Martial Arts

SPEAKER_00

has been.

SPEAKER_01

Planes, trains, buses, everything, the whole lot, boats, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Is there a like some music or a soundtrack that instantly takes you back to any part of your training?

SPEAKER_01

Um it would be either the theme to Kung Fu.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Or it would be, you know, sometime the program began just with the tinkling wind chimes and the uh the xylophone type effect in from Asia. All this very, very quiet oriental music composed by a Westerner, would you believe? Jim Helms, yeah, the composer. I mean, that was just so spiritual, so magical. If I hear that, it's back to 74, back to my beginnings. I never lose sight of my beginnings, and they always say, drink water, never forget the source. Not simply tap, it's the the spring, it's the um the um the alpine beginning of that water. Never forget the beginnings, always keep that in your mind.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, I remember saying to you once, we were having a bit of a joke one day, and we were talking about uh Carl Douglas's um uh kung fu fighting. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember the question that you asked me when I brought that up?

SPEAKER_01

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_00

Well, you said to me, Okay, Miles, he had another record. Yeah. Do you know what that was? Dance the Kung Fu, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And no one remembers that one. Everyone remembers Kung Fu Fighting. And I was sitting there going, No, what's that record? Sure. It was, yeah. So it wasn't just a one one hit one.

SPEAKER_01

I think he may have actually had an album for himself on that. Probably. Yeah, maybe, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But it is one of those infectious records that when you hear it, it's just brilliant.

SPEAKER_01

These guys, they're all like, who it was so cheesy, but I mean, nearly anything there, it was all simply that really was kung fu. It wasn't, but I mean, but uh, yeah, it was amazing. I mean, and the guy, is he dead now, I think, or alive stream? I really don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Um, I hope I hope he isn't. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_01

But I mean, he was just so he was just a cool dude.

SPEAKER_00

He was, it was, he was good. I remember we we used to have a lot of uh lessons on a weekly basis, but we'd it we would inevitably end up talking about um martial arts in films and sure and TV series and things like 24 and um yeah, Boston and stuff, yeah, yeah, and sort of like Jason Bourne and all this sort of stuff. And uh I think Taken we spoke about yeah, talk to any films that you remember, things that we sort of so not necessarily the initial Kung Fu studio series, but no, okay.

SPEAKER_01

Bourne, for example, on the wooden dummy, yeah. Full speed, full power, rubbish, you know. It's about being soft and listening, and it's like listening hands, but on with wooden dummy. Yeah, I sent mine from here to Philippines, all the way to Philippines, survived the whole trip. It's got all the yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

He's taking his wooden dummy or whatever.

San Shan Gong And Mind Body Spirit

SPEAKER_01

But it's about being soft and listening and moving the arms and the legs and body structure. So Hollywood is born, that's Hollywood, yeah, born Hollywood. Nothing like reality. Even Kung Fu, Caroline said, it's uh it's a it's it's Hollywood, it's kind of it's make-believe, it's a real thing. But look behind the myth, look behind the farce, look behind the nonsense, and you see a truth there. And my way, being very, very zen or being very, very chan, which is Chinese, you see through the myth and you see through the fabrication and the BS of life, and you see life the way it truly is.

SPEAKER_00

It's my enlightenment. You've said a couple times now that that training is your life. How does that shape the way you see everyday ordinary moments?

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Reaching a level of martial arts that I have, that's not ego talking, it's simply facts. Yeah. Okay, in China, the the masses they move from the city to the mountains and they live there, hermits, or to a cave in the mountain as hermits. And they go to the town once a month or send their friends to go there or their protege to go there, but they live in the mountains, in the caves. My wife said to me in that shop I had in Right High Street, we used to come to me, she said to me, Where are you going now? To your cave. That was her kind of like cynical tongue-in-cheek way of saying you go into your what you believe in now. But the truth is that was so deep because the cave is how you describe it. My home now in Philippines is simply it's a a 20 by 18 foot building, my temple. That's my cave. I live there, I train there. I go to the city once a month, maybe. I was in the city back in February. I went there again last week, a few months later. That is my cave. I moved away from the mainstream and I'm in my own cave, in my own domain. I am where I belong. That is Ray Road Chinese and Rayro Japanese. So that is my temple, my cave, my mountain, my monastery. And in China, the word for cave can mean temple, mountain, monastery. It's the same thing. I kind of moved away from mainstream life. I don't really meet people anymore. I'm happy in my own world, do my training and my teaching. If I must, I'll go and socialise, but otherwise I'm quite um I'm quite um socialistic. Like, yeah, yeah. To be in my element,

Philippine Arnis And Everyday Stance Training

SPEAKER_01

yeah, in right where I belong.

SPEAKER_00

You touched on a second ago about if there's a moment where somebody oversteps a line. So have you ever been in a moment where you've had to use your your your martial arts or your or or even you've used it as a defence mechanism or whatever?

SPEAKER_01

Sure, sure. First time um in Tokyo, 1980, okay, I was 19 years of age then, by myself, and I to cut very long story short, I thought I was being kidnapped. Okay. Because the Moonies were all over the Daily Mirror at that time over here. So I thought I'm being kidnapped now. In a room, just myself and this weird-looking uh uh Japanese guy. He said, take your clothes off. We're in this room, and I'm sure the door is locked, so I had to just stay calm and cool, collected and relaxed. Moon came, saw the guy to one side, pulled open this locked door, it wasn't locked, flew in my hand, ran out from the backpack, grabbed it out the back door, down the pathway, out the back gate, expecting similar fighter there and one there to fight my way out of it. There was no one there. I ran around ran back to Shinjuku.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it was just railroad station as well.

SPEAKER_01

In the crowd there, got lost, and thinking, thank God I was taught proper martial arts, not BS martial arts like we see today. It's all sports now. So my first time to use my strength and my my mindsets and my spirituality for what I thought was a real, real life-death situation. Happened again in China in 1995, happened again two years ago with um a bad tenant who I was gonna attack and never did. The wife said don't do it. Then last year with a council, I was gonna kill someone. Um so I moved away to the Philippines to avoid that kind of situation. So I have that ability to kill someone if I need to, but I move away from that best I can, hence my cave and my temple and my very, very reclusive lifestyle now. But martial arts is about the idea of don't be killed, needs be, you kill someone. That is the real ikin,

Music Memories And Martial Arts On Screen

SPEAKER_01

hisatsu, one strike, certain death, that's the idea of martial arts. Anything less is pure bullshit martial arts. That's where you are now. It's all taekwondo, sports, karate, sports, kabukai rubbish. Yeah, it's all make-believe, fake news.

SPEAKER_00

Fake news, fake news. We don't want any of that. We've got enough of that as in the world as it is. Yeah. Okay, so if you could sit with a young your younger self, so this the boy that you just told me about back there in 1973, what would you want him to know about your life ahead? Live like me. Live like you. You you've got no there's nothing you would change, you're happy with everything that you've done.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I mean, I'm I'm not a rich man because I was travelling for most of my life and I wasn't paying POI until I came back from my travels in '98. I caught up by paying back payments, so I'm I'm I'm fine now. But I'd say live your life, your way, no exceptions, anyone gets any way, deal with it any way you need to deal with it. But don't anyone bully you, brainwash you, trick you, mislead you. Your life, your way, no apologies.

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SPEAKER_00

I mean, personally, Simon, I mean I'd like to thank you for what you did for my family, uh, especially for myself and Josh, because you you've you came into our lives at a time that was very important. It meant to be for us. Yeah, it was meant to be, and you you you helped me through a difficult time I was having at the time. Yeah, I know. Um so uh I'd like to thank you for that. I've well over.

SPEAKER_01

That time your life was so that I mean many people just collapse under that. You the strength from the kung fu helps you to get through that, I'm sure without trying to bump myself up on the saying, and that's my point.

SPEAKER_00

You you know, you you have given so much to people where you've trained and and you've been a mentor for them. So although we've been talking about mentors, and you've you were a mentor for me um for in that definitely in that period of time. So uh I remember something about you working in New York in a nightclub.

SPEAKER_01

Is that is that yeah, in Limelight Manhattan, yeah. Yeah, 21st.

SPEAKER_00

I'll digress on that one.

SPEAKER_01

I just did the way a bit a bit about that. I was the smallest guy on security, yeah. I was working internally in the shadows. My job was to just to guard people inside um and to uh to expel those that were that shouldn't be there. Uh I would from the stairway in my black uniform in the shadows when nobody could see me, did the old Cato act as it were. Yeah, yeah. The funny thing is though, that the whole time I was there, three years I was there, not once did a fight kick off when I was there. But doing a visa run to Hong Kong, to Singapore, to

The Cave Life And Real World Danger

SPEAKER_01

Japan, wherever, on my visa run, when I was away, I think. Off there, I come back and they say, You missed all the fun, it was violent here last week. I was never there for that, it was always there when I wasn't there. Uh you you kept under control, sorry.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, totally. The aura. I mean, yeah. Spiritual part of the martial arts. I controlled by not being there if you like, or you know, so it was weird. Yeah, I did have moments of of um of kind of going toward the aggression route, but I always managed to find a way around that because otherwise I would have kicked off and that'd be it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I've never seen you ever lose your temper.

SPEAKER_01

So sometimes I've never seen you lose your temperature.

SPEAKER_00

Very calm and very crazy.

SPEAKER_01

I'm in my best to be uh the real grasshopper moment. With these moments, too, of course. Yeah, yeah. Oh grasshopper.

SPEAKER_00

Brilliant. Um, just one just one last thing while I think about uh from my perception now, it seems to be wherever you go, you you search for what's going on here. Search and research, yeah. What martial, what can I learn from from that?

SPEAKER_01

I mean Muay Thai in Bangkok, a month we're doing Muay Thai, Thai boxing, yeah, uh not competing, but in the school learning the skills, yeah, yeah. Then the month in the Forest Monastery, like from Yang Tian, walking barefoot in amongst the scorpions and cobras, the meditation, fasting effectively, one meal a day, eight in the morning, nothing to the next day. So then there was Singapore for the martial arts, Malaysia for the Salat, very spiritual, very Muslim, very spiritual. Then it was Hong Kong, then China, Fuzhou, found the this meditation I learnt in on the Isle of White from Mike Lambert, took that to a new dimension. From there, I went to Australia for a year and then to America for three years, then Taiwan for six months, Hong Kong for three years, back to Fuzhou, America, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. It's travelling, learning from the year.

SPEAKER_00

So when you were in Australia and America, what what did you find there? Did you just find different versions of what you'd already seen?

SPEAKER_01

In America, I went to a dojo that belonged to a grandmaster under who I was training for three years in America. Man called Higon Amorio Dicente. He's now I think um 89 years of age now, in Okinawa, still kicking, punching, teaching, training. Um he was my inspiration for five years, but he really kind of took karate back to his roots for Kinao into China, and I kind of followed his footsteps by doing the same thing but going further with it. He was my inspiration. Mike Lambert, my first inspiration after Kai Chang. Then it was um he got a Morio Dai

Advice To Younger Self And Lifelong Seeking

SPEAKER_01

Sensei, the Grandmaster from Okinawa. Then it was um John Ming Fashu, my Chan Zhen meditation master in China. I'll go back to when I can do in China now. He's my spiritual leader, if you like, right now. Then in between there are people and places that inspired me to. So the journey is not about people, it's about where you are, what you see, who you meet, what you meet, what you find, what you extract, what you excavate, like uh like an archaeologist, if you like. I'm taking my art from now right back to the year 520, which is when the Indian monk Boridharma went to Shaolin, sent you two weeks, did some kung fu, made me strong. My journey is going right back more than 5,000 years.

SPEAKER_00

It's incredible, Simon. It's incredible.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and it's ongoing. I always learn, always research, always seek out those better than me. That's what I do. That's who I am.

SPEAKER_00

Uh I would like to thank you for your time today. Sure. And um, yeah, it's it's been a pleasure catching up and and talking to you as well. Thanks, man.

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